Template talk:Seven Network programming

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Use of template

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To avoid overuse of this template, please only add it to Australian television articles. Don't add it to foreign shows which appear in this template. Whats new? (talk) 04:16, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-02-24T04:16:00.000Z","author":"Whats new?","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Whats_new?-2015-02-24T04:16:00.000Z-Use_of_template","replies":[]}}-->

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Inclusion of sport

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@Robsinden: As I stated in my revert of your previous edit, the template is about programming on the Seven Network, which includes local sports broadcasts. Coverage of sports are local programming, and it is irrelevant that not all sports have their own articles specifically for coverage of them. Articles solely dedicated to each sport in most cases would be candidates to be merged. Inclusion of the sport in the template seems entirely appropriate to me -- Whats new?^(talk) 09:10, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-02-23T09:10:00.000Z","author":"Whats new?","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Whats_new?-2017-02-23T09:10:00.000Z-Inclusion_of_sport","replies":["c-Robsinden-2017-02-23T09:16:00.000Z-Whats_new?-2017-02-23T09:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

It clearly isn't appropriate to link sporting events or football leagues in a navbox dedicated to television programmes. If there is an article to this network's coverage (like the Olympics), then that would be appropriate, but not the sporting events themselves. Inclusion of the event fails the core points of WP:NAVBOX. --Rob Sinden (talk) 09:16, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-02-23T09:16:00.000Z","author":"Robsinden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Robsinden-2017-02-23T09:16:00.000Z-Whats_new?-2017-02-23T09:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-Whats_new?-2017-02-23T09:24:00.000Z-Robsinden-2017-02-23T09:16:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Rob Sinden"}}-->

@Robsinden:I disagree. The articles on the sporting leagues contain information about broadcast details within them, in lieu of having stub articles about their broadcast. -- Whats new?^(talk) 09:24, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-02-23T09:24:00.000Z","author":"Whats new?","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Whats_new?-2017-02-23T09:24:00.000Z-Robsinden-2017-02-23T09:16:00.000Z","replies":["c-Robsinden-2017-02-23T09:35:00.000Z-Whats_new?-2017-02-23T09:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

They might have a sentence or two, but it's not a programming article. If the coverage was notable in itself, there should be an article on the coverage. If there isn't an article, then linking from a TV network navbox isn't appropriate. Also, it isn't appropriate to place this navbox on the articles for the sporting events/leagues, so it would fail the spirit of WP:BIDIRECTIONAL. --Rob Sinden (talk) 09:35, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-02-23T09:35:00.000Z","author":"Robsinden","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Robsinden-2017-02-23T09:35:00.000Z-Whats_new?-2017-02-23T09:24:00.000Z","replies":["c-Whats_new?-2017-02-23T09:45:00.000Z-Robsinden-2017-02-23T09:35:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Rob Sinden"}}-->

@Robsinden: There are plenty of resources to establish notability of sporting broadcasts, which is why they are covered within the sports articles themselves. You're suggesting excluding the listing of sports coverage on an ad-hoc basis because there isn't a separate article dedicated solely to the broadcast. They are still programs broadcast by the network and should be linked here. I don't see how it fails BIDIRECTIONAL either, as there is no requirement to include navboxes on each topic -- Whats new?^(talk) 09:45, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-02-23T09:45:00.000Z","author":"Whats new?","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Whats_new?-2017-02-23T09:45:00.000Z-Robsinden-2017-02-23T09:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Robsinden-2017-02-23T09:59:00.000Z-Whats_new?-2017-02-23T09:45:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, only list sports coverage that has a dedicated article. Take the Australian Football League example. It would be appropriate to list any of the programmes at List of Australian Football League television shows broadcast by the network, but not the football league itself. You wouldn't include other generic links just because they were reported on the network, or awards ceremonies and similar events. And no, there is no requirement to include the navbox at the destination, but that's the usual convention and the spirit of the guideline, as without this, you lose the navigation function. Also note that there isn't a {{Sky Sports}} navbox linking Premier League, etc, as it would be deleted straight away. To repeat once again: This is a television programming navbox, and therefore should only contain links to television programming produced by and for the network. --Rob Sinden (talk) 09:59, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-02-23T09:59:00.000Z","author":"Robsinden","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Robsinden-2017-02-23T09:59:00.000Z-Whats_new?-2017-02-23T09:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-Whats_new?-2017-02-23T10:21:00.000Z-Robsinden-2017-02-23T09:59:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Rob Sinden"}}-->

@Robsinden: And again, I'm disagreeing. Broadcasts of sporting events is local programming produced and broadcast by and for the network. In leiu of its own article, broadcast details are covered within the sporting article. I'm not talking about sports related programming such as talk shows, I'm talking about coverage of games. The navbox is for programming, and sports events are programming covered by this network with the details within sporting articles rather than their own stub sized article -- Whats new?^(talk) 10:21, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-02-23T10:21:00.000Z","author":"Whats new?","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Whats_new?-2017-02-23T10:21:00.000Z-Robsinden-2017-02-23T09:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-Robsinden-2017-02-23T10:23:00.000Z-Whats_new?-2017-02-23T10:21:00.000Z","c-Whats_new?-2017-02-23T10:26:00.000Z-Whats_new?-2017-02-23T10:21:00.000Z"]}}-->

I just found Cricket linked in one of the navboxes. Seriously? --Rob Sinden (talk) 10:23, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-02-23T10:23:00.000Z","author":"Robsinden","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Robsinden-2017-02-23T10:23:00.000Z-Whats_new?-2017-02-23T10:21:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Rob Sinden"}}-->

@Robsinden: I'm not advocating including that, don't blame that on me. -- Whats new?^(talk) 10:26, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-02-23T10:26:00.000Z","author":"Whats new?","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Whats_new?-2017-02-23T10:26:00.000Z-Whats_new?-2017-02-23T10:21:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->