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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:House of Bjelbo#Requested move 27 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 12:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240603121600","author":"SafariScribe","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SafariScribe-20240603121600-Requested_move_at_Talk:House_of_Bjelbo#Requested_move_27_May_2024","replies":[],"displayName":"Safari Scribe"}}-->

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Philip of Sweden#Requested move 29 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240605010800","author":"SafariScribe","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SafariScribe-20240605010800-Requested_move_at_Talk:Philip_of_Sweden#Requested_move_29_May_2024","replies":[],"displayName":"Safari Scribe"}}-->

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:James V of Scotland#Requested move 7 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел (talk) 02:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240608023600","author":"\u0412\u0435\u043a\u043e\u0447\u0435\u043b","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u0412\u0435\u043a\u043e\u0447\u0435\u043b-20240608023600-Requested_move_at_Talk:James_V_of_Scotland#Requested_move_7_June_2024","replies":[]}}-->

does anybody know the rough timeframe it takes for a submissions approval in this wikiproject? In the past I have had approvals in days/ just over a week however my current one has been almost a month, just wondering if there was something happening on the back end of Wikipedia?? my page is De'Anyers family. Some formatting errors which i'd be grateful for some help on.. but to my knowledge it is otherwise notable (with links to members pages wikipedia notable) and well sourced. would be grateful for some guidance thank you!!!! Starktoncollosal (talk) 12:31, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240609123100","author":"Starktoncollosal","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Starktoncollosal-20240609123100-article_review\/_submission_speeds","replies":["c-DrKay-20240609125400-Starktoncollosal-20240609123100"]}}-->

As stated at that page, "This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 3,222 pending submissions waiting for review." DrKay (talk) 12:54, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240609125400","author":"DrKay","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DrKay-20240609125400-Starktoncollosal-20240609123100","replies":[]}}-->

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Madonna#Requested move 1 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Dawid2009 (talk) 15:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240610150000","author":"Dawid2009","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dawid2009-20240610150000-Requested_move_at_Talk:Madonna#Requested_move_1_June_2024","replies":[]}}-->

Mere curiosity here: Is it known who had the greatest number of English/Scottish/British/Irish/UK peerages? —Tamfang (talk) 05:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240611055200","author":"Tamfang","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tamfang-20240611055200-a_question_of_quantity","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014Tamfang"}}-->

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:David III of Tao#Requested move 27 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел (talk) 07:57, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240628075700","author":"\u0412\u0435\u043a\u043e\u0447\u0435\u043b","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u0412\u0435\u043a\u043e\u0447\u0435\u043b-20240628075700-Requested_move_at_Talk:David_III_of_Tao#Requested_move_27_June_2024","replies":[]}}-->

Was patrolling this article and couldn't really verify much in this outside of references to books that I cannot access. One of the family, Peter Daniell, has written a book on the family history, but that might not be independent. Was wondering if the WikiProject Royalty and Nobility had any view on it? thanks. Aszx5000 (talk) 13:24, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240702132400","author":"Aszx5000","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Aszx5000-20240702132400-De'Anyers_family","replies":["c-Aszx5000-20240717152400-Aszx5000-20240702132400"]}}-->

I see that @AirshipJungleman29 has nominated it for deletion. thanks. Aszx5000 (talk) 15:24, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240717152400","author":"Aszx5000","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aszx5000-20240717152400-Aszx5000-20240702132400","replies":[]}}-->

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Umberto I of Italy#Requested move 9 July 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел (talk) 18:59, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240709185900","author":"\u0412\u0435\u043a\u043e\u0447\u0435\u043b","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u0412\u0435\u043a\u043e\u0447\u0435\u043b-20240709185900-Requested_move_at_Talk:Umberto_I_of_Italy#Requested_move_9_July_2024","replies":[]}}-->

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Francis, Duke of Guise#Requested move 14 July 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 22:34, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240714223400","author":"98Tigerius","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-98Tigerius-20240714223400-Requested_move_at_Talk:Francis,_Duke_of_Guise#Requested_move_14_July_2024","replies":[],"displayName":"98\ud835\ude83\ud835\ude78\ud835\ude76\ud835\ude74\ud835\ude81\ud835\ude78\ud835\ude84\ud835\ude82"}}-->

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Rose Hanbury#Requested move 15 July 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 16:16, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240802161600","author":"Asukite","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Asukite-20240802161600-Requested_move_at_Talk:Rose_Hanbury#Requested_move_15_July_2024","replies":[]}}-->

On James Hamilton, 3rd Duke of Abercorn, I removed the note that he was the great-grandfather of Diana, Princess of Wales on the grounds that he died several years before she was born, citing the various removals from the lede of the article of Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark that he was the paternal grandfather of Charles III, arguing that they never met, and thus had no impact on each other's lives. It was suggested that consensus be gained for this. I posted here instead of article talk page in hopes of getting more discussion. 2601:249:9301:D570:F1A2:5799:7476:D3A3 (talk) 15:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240817153800","author":"2601:249:9301:D570:F1A2:5799:7476:D3A3","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2601:249:9301:D570:F1A2:5799:7476:D3A3-20240817153800-Mentions_of_descendants_born_after_the_article_subject's_death_in_lede","replies":["c-DrKay-20240817154900-2601:249:9301:D570:F1A2:5799:7476:D3A3-20240817153800"]}}-->

I agree that unless the connection has a special significance (such as an inheritance that went direct from person to great-grandson in the case of Louis XIV), such remote connections are not important enough to feature in the lead. DrKay (talk) 15:49, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240817154900","author":"DrKay","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DrKay-20240817154900-2601:249:9301:D570:F1A2:5799:7476:D3A3-20240817153800","replies":["c-JayBeeEll-20240817190500-DrKay-20240817154900"]}}-->

Agreed (and I think this is obvious). --JBL (talk) 19:05, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240817190500","author":"JayBeeEll","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-JayBeeEll-20240817190500-DrKay-20240817154900","replies":[],"displayName":"JBL"}}-->

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Family tree of Chinese monarchs (ancient)#Requested move 3 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 05:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240819054700","author":"SafariScribe","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SafariScribe-20240819054700-Requested_move_at_Talk:Family_tree_of_Chinese_monarchs_(ancient)#Requested_move","replies":[],"displayName":"Safari Scribe"}}-->

I noticed there are some discrepancies with using old/new calendar for the Russian royalty/nobility (example Grand Duke Konstantin Pavlovich of Russia, where the birth/death date in the infobox were mixed: birth date > OLD calendar and death date > NEW calendar, it's now correct). What is the standard for this? I've been looking for a while but couldn't find any rule, if anyone could be nice to redirect me, I'd be happy to re-edit. Thanks Daphoenyx (talk) 00:01, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240823000100","author":"Daphoenyx","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Daphoenyx-20240823000100-Old\/new_calendar","replies":[]}}-->

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Pandukabhaya of Anuradhapura#Requested move 22 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел (talk) 21:59, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240823215900","author":"\u0412\u0435\u043a\u043e\u0447\u0435\u043b","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u0412\u0435\u043a\u043e\u0447\u0435\u043b-20240823215900-Requested_move_at_Talk:Pandukabhaya_of_Anuradhapura#Requested_move_22_August_202","replies":[]}}-->

Someone is trying to prevent the removal of WP:OR and WP:SYNTH materials in Greek royal family and Prince Christian of Hanover without addressing the main concerns. They are trying to use sources that do not even mention the article subjects in question to make original conclusions about them. Editors are invited to contribute to the discussion at Talk:Greek royal family#Original research. StellarHalo (talk) 19:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240824192400","author":"StellarHalo","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-StellarHalo-20240824192400-Original_research_dispute_at_Talk:Greek_royal_family#Original_research","replies":["c-JayBeeEll-20240826192600-StellarHalo-20240824192400"]}}-->

Indeed it would be excellent to have more voices in this discussion about the best way to avoid WP:FRINGE content concerning people who are not royalty (despite being descendants of people who were), while also respecting other core policies. --JBL (talk) 19:26, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240826192600","author":"JayBeeEll","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-JayBeeEll-20240826192600-StellarHalo-20240824192400","replies":[],"displayName":"JBL"}}-->

Would it be posible to rename this category to include (royalty and nobility) seeing as it belongs to this WikiProject? As it is, the names of these articles only include british peers and royalty. EmilySarah99 (talk) 08:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240826083500","author":"EmilySarah99","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-EmilySarah99-20240826083500-Category:Unassessed_biography_(royalty)_articles","replies":[]}}-->

I've tagged a bunch of statements in Frederick Barbarossa's lead as either not being supported in/contradicting the body, not being verified in the body, or being absolutely ridiculous (one sentence says he was "almost superhuman" .......). Does anyone have the resources to be able to address the article's issues? See also Talk:Frederick Barbarossa#Problems with the lead. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 06:02, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240829060200","author":"The ed17","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-The_ed17-20240829060200-Any_Holy_Roman_\/_Frederick_Barbarossa_fans_around?","replies":[],"displayName":"Ed"}}-->

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Haakon Magnusson of Norway#Requested move 26 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Reading Beans 07:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240904074700","author":"Reading Beans","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Reading_Beans-20240904074700-Requested_move_at_Talk:Haakon_Magnusson_of_Norway#Requested_move_26_August_2024","replies":[]}}-->

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Franz Joseph I of Austria#Requested move 29 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел (talk) 00:58, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240905005800","author":"\u0412\u0435\u043a\u043e\u0447\u0435\u043b","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u0412\u0435\u043a\u043e\u0447\u0435\u043b-20240905005800-Requested_move_at_Talk:Franz_Joseph_I_of_Austria#Requested_move_29_August_2024","replies":[]}}-->

There is a COIN discussion that I just opened for a source that's being added to royalty and nobility articles. You can view the discussion here. Perspectives appreciated. CPR certified and forgetting it all (talk) 16:43, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240906164300","author":"CPR certified and forgetting it all","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CPR_certified_and_forgetting_it_all-20240906164300-COIN_discussion_about_royalty_source_being_added","replies":[]}}-->

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Beatrice of Bavaria#Requested move 1 September 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Reading Beans 08:02, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240909080200","author":"Reading Beans","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Reading_Beans-20240909080200-Requested_move_at_Talk:Beatrice_of_Bavaria#Requested_move_1_September_2024","replies":[]}}-->

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Eric XI of Sweden#Requested move 31 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Reading Beans 11:19, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240914111900","author":"Reading Beans","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Reading_Beans-20240914111900-Requested_move_at_Talk:Eric_XI_of_Sweden#Requested_move_31_August_2024","replies":[]}}-->

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Horatio Nelson, 1st Viscount Nelson#Requested move 5 September 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. reading beans 01:21, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240923012100","author":"Reading Beans","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Reading_Beans-20240923012100-Requested_move_at_Talk:Horatio_Nelson,_1st_Viscount_Nelson#Requested_move_5_Sept","replies":[]}}-->

There is an ongoing discussion about a draft which will be published under Draft talk:List of legendary rulers of Wales. This is similar to lists to the fellow Celtic nations of Ireland, Scotland, Cornwall, and similar to the listing of the Kings of Britain, again similar to other legendary king lists from other nations. Could we get some consensus on the matter, or if anyone has experience on the topic, could you please join the talk ? Cltjames (talk) 21:00, 07 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241107210000","author":"Cltjames","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cltjames-20241107210000-Legendary_rulers_of_Wales_comments","replies":[]}}-->

I would appreciate input from more editors into these edits concerning various Americans with the surname Radziwill:

• [1], [2], [3]
• [4], [5], [6]
• [7], [8], [9]

The question of whether any of these people wrote their name with the ł instead of a standard English l is also maybe interesting. (It is not necessary to point out that my edit summaries are not entirely civil, nor that I have now reverted twice; I'm not planning on directly engaging further.) Pinging Unfriendnow (the other involved editor). Thanks. 100.36.106.199 (talk) 21:08, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241109210800","author":"100.36.106.199","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-100.36.106.199-20241109210800-Are_these_Americans_\"princes\"_or_\"princesses\"?","replies":["c-98.228.137.44-20241111031200-100.36.106.199-20241109210800"]}}-->

The Radziwiłs, to quote their article arę "a Polish princely family of Lithuanian origin", though I'm not sure what the current legal status of their title is, as Poland is a republic. 98.228.137.44 (talk) 03:12, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241111031200","author":"98.228.137.44","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-98.228.137.44-20241111031200-100.36.106.199-20241109210800","replies":["c-100.36.106.199-20241111112400-98.228.137.44-20241111031200"]}}-->

That article is almost entirely concerned with people and events of the 16th through 18th centuries (maybe a bit earlier). Our article Stanisław_Albrecht_Radziwiłł#Title (one of the ones Unfriendnow has been trying to pipe to add the word “Prince” instead of linking the article directly) says this: According to Debrett's, although known as Prince Radziwiłł in Britain, on becoming a British subject and in keeping with standard practice, Radziwiłł strictly needed permission from Queen Elizabeth II to use his princely title. The Radziwiłł family held the title Prince of the Holy Roman Empire since the early 16th century. However, noble titles were abolished in Poland and Austria. The other people are the American woman he was married to from 1959 to 1974, their son (b Switzerland 1959), and his wife (b USA 1963, m 1994). 100.36.106.199 (talk) 11:24, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241111112400","author":"100.36.106.199","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-100.36.106.199-20241111112400-98.228.137.44-20241111031200","replies":["c-100.36.106.199-20241114123000-100.36.106.199-20241111112400"]}}-->

Would really appreciate additional input on the appropriateness of the edits in my OP. 100.36.106.199 (talk) 12:30, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241114123000","author":"100.36.106.199","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-100.36.106.199-20241114123000-100.36.106.199-20241111112400","replies":[]}}-->

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Constance, Queen of Sicily#Requested move 1 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел (talk) 14:05, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241111140500","author":"\u0412\u0435\u043a\u043e\u0447\u0435\u043b","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u0412\u0435\u043a\u043e\u0447\u0435\u043b-20241111140500-Requested_move_at_Talk:Constance,_Queen_of_Sicily#Requested_move_1_November_2024","replies":[]}}-->

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Constance of Aragon#Requested move 5 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241113213000","author":"Usernamekiran","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Usernamekiran-20241113213000-Requested_move_at_Talk:Constance_of_Aragon#Requested_move_5_November_2024","replies":[]}}-->