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Notes

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I changed the name of the list because Missouri has now renamed all of its 4-year colleges to be universities. Also, I removed the grouping of "state universities" and "others". The only system of schools in Missouri is the University of Missouri; all other universities in the state are completely independent of each other, irrespective of their names. Grouping them as they were gave the impression that there is some association between the schools with "state" in their names, which is not the case.—Lazytiger 18:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-04-13T18:13:00.000Z","author":"Lazytiger","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lazytiger-2007-04-13T18:13:00.000Z-Notes","replies":["c-Lazytiger-2007-04-13T18:57:00.000Z-Lazytiger-2007-04-13T18:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

Shortly after moving the page to the sans-college title, I decided I should have just added the colleges. So, they are added and the template has moved back. (Wikipedia now allows moves overwriting redirects without admin approval.)—Lazytiger 18:57, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-04-13T18:57:00.000Z","author":"Lazytiger","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Lazytiger-2007-04-13T18:57:00.000Z-Lazytiger-2007-04-13T18:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Astuishin-2007-04-14T10:42:00.000Z-Lazytiger-2007-04-13T18:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

Okay I thought there was some association between state university sorry about that. I tried to model the box after a box I saw on the Georgia page but this one looks pretty good. I'm inclined to remove the link to all of the colleges in Missouri because this box seems to be about public institution of higher education not profit or non for profit. - thank you Astuishin 10:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-04-14T10:42:00.000Z","author":"Astuishin","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Astuishin-2007-04-14T10:42:00.000Z-Lazytiger-2007-04-13T18:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-Lazytiger-2007-04-14T14:00:00.000Z-Astuishin-2007-04-14T10:42:00.000Z"],"displayName":"- thank you Astuishin"}}-->

I put the link to the list in there just because it's a good list (I made it, so I guess I'm a little biased) and there are very few pages currently linking to it. So, it's pretty hard to discover its existence. Yes, there are private schools on there too, but it is still a good source of additional information on the public schools. And what's the harm in finding out a little about the private schools in the state? I'm envisioning it being a nice little potential source of information for high schoolers (or anyone else) trying to discover what options exist.—Lazytiger 14:00, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-04-14T14:00:00.000Z","author":"Lazytiger","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Lazytiger-2007-04-14T14:00:00.000Z-Astuishin-2007-04-14T10:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-Astuishin-2007-04-14T19:30:00.000Z-Lazytiger-2007-04-14T14:00:00.000Z"]}}-->

That is true but I think that list should still be removed because it is easily accessible from the Missouri main page, and the box might led to a box for private university which of course should be avoided.- thank you Astuishin 19:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-04-14T19:30:00.000Z","author":"Astuishin","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Astuishin-2007-04-14T19:30:00.000Z-Lazytiger-2007-04-14T14:00:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"- thank you Astuishin"}}-->

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Two-year colleges

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This may have been a little rash without discussing it here first. I've removed the two-year and community colleges from the template, based on the fact that I can't find another state that list those. and seeing as how listing those could open up the template to a massive amount of schools, many of which don't have wiki pages. Thanks Grey Wanderer | Talk 23:15, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-04-14T23:15:00.000Z","author":"Grey Wanderer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Grey_Wanderer-2007-04-14T23:15:00.000Z-Two-year_colleges","replies":["c-Astuishin-2007-04-15T09:54:00.000Z-Grey_Wanderer-2007-04-14T23:15:00.000Z","c-Lazytiger-2007-04-15T22:51:00.000Z-Grey_Wanderer-2007-04-14T23:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

Alright never felt community colleges were all that bad, I think the list should be removed. - thank you Astuishin 09:54, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-04-15T09:54:00.000Z","author":"Astuishin","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Astuishin-2007-04-15T09:54:00.000Z-Grey_Wanderer-2007-04-14T23:15:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"- thank you Astuishin"}}-->

I really don't think there's any reason those two-year schools couldn't be included in the template. There is no slippery slope for adding other schools; this is every public school in the state. No others could or should be added. And personally, I don't really care if no other state templates do it. The organization of higher education institutions vary widely from state to state, and I think it happens to work just fine for Missouri.—Lazytiger 22:51, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-04-15T22:51:00.000Z","author":"Lazytiger","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Lazytiger-2007-04-15T22:51:00.000Z-Grey_Wanderer-2007-04-14T23:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-Astuishin-2007-04-15T23:01:00.000Z-Lazytiger-2007-04-15T22:51:00.000Z"]}}-->

The community colleges really aren't that much of a problem since there are other states like New York and Georgia's that include them, although both California and Texas divide there's between two year and four, so there are many different ways to put them. I simply object to the link to the list, while it might be good for those interested in all colleges and their options, but the template box only pertains to public schools and should really should only include them, also there's a pretty good link to the list on the main Missouri page. - thank you Astuishin 23:01, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-04-15T23:01:00.000Z","author":"Astuishin","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Astuishin-2007-04-15T23:01:00.000Z-Lazytiger-2007-04-15T22:51:00.000Z","replies":["c-Lazytiger-2007-04-16T01:09:00.000Z-Astuishin-2007-04-15T23:01:00.000Z"],"displayName":"- thank you Astuishin"}}-->

If you don't want the link to the list on there, fine. I really don't think it's a problem that the list includes private schools as well, but I'm not going to argue about it. The Missouri article isn't really where people are going to go looking for colleges, but there are many, many articles on Wikipedia that people don't realize exist. I accept that that's just the way it is with large amounts of information. If you think to search for it, it can be found. Although, for the record, I still think it's stupid not to include a highly relevant link in the template. However, now that my table of schools has been (needlessly) removed, the list is totally redundant. See the talk page for the list for my rant about that.

So now, that's a separate issue from the two-year colleges being included on the template. It sounds like we're in agreement that including them is OK. It seems like a waste not to have them on the template when there really aren't that many. They should be included somewhere, but they really don't need their own template. Plus, the word "colleges" shouldn't be in the template title unless the two-year colleges are included, as all the four-year schools are now universities.—Lazytiger 01:09, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-04-16T01:09:00.000Z","author":"Lazytiger","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Lazytiger-2007-04-16T01:09:00.000Z-Astuishin-2007-04-15T23:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Astuishin-2007-04-16T12:13:00.000Z-Lazytiger-2007-04-16T01:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

The box looks fine to me - thank you Astuishin 12:13, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-04-16T12:13:00.000Z","author":"Astuishin","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Astuishin-2007-04-16T12:13:00.000Z-Lazytiger-2007-04-16T01:09:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"- thank you Astuishin"}}-->