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Hello @Fayenatic london:

In the recent discussion about "Release history" table, Andrew318 said that those are distributors, not labels. If you have any further comments as you wish, as well as Chinese talk page. 2001:D08:2901:5053:17E2:EEC0:6088:DC75 (talk) 08:20, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240717082000","author":"2001:D08:2901:5053:17E2:EEC0:6088:DC75","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2001:D08:2901:5053:17E2:EEC0:6088:DC75-20240717082000-Discussion_about_\"Label\"_or_\"distributor\"","replies":["c-Fayenatic_london-20240717085100-2001:D08:2901:5053:17E2:EEC0:6088:DC75-20240717082000"]}}-->

Thanks for the links. I have no particular knowledge or opinion on this matter, and will follow the consensus. – Fayenatic London 08:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240717085100","author":"Fayenatic london","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fayenatic_london-20240717085100-2001:D08:2901:5053:17E2:EEC0:6088:DC75-20240717082000","replies":[],"displayName":"Fayenatic"}}-->

A tag has been placed on Category:1576 in Portuguese Mozambique indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 09:12, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240719091200","author":"Liz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Liz-20240719091200-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Category:1576_in_Portuguese_Mozambique","replies":["c-Fayenatic_london-20240719213500-Liz-20240719091200","c-Fayenatic_london-20240722225700-Liz-20240719091200"]}}-->

Thanks for the message, Liz. This enabled me to delete all the empty parent categories after Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_July_11#16th_to_19th_century_in_(Portuguese)_Mozambique, leaving a link to that discussion in the deletion log. – Fayenatic London 21:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240719213500","author":"Fayenatic london","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fayenatic_london-20240719213500-Liz-20240719091200","replies":["c-Liz-20240719215200-Fayenatic_london-20240719213500"],"displayName":"Fayenatic"}}-->

It's confusing to tag all of these empty categories that weren't marked as being part of a CFD discussion and have them all disappear. Is this how it is done? Should I just delete any more I come across that look like they are associated with a CFD discussion? I've gotten in trouble for doing that before. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:52, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240719215200","author":"Liz","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Liz-20240719215200-Fayenatic_london-20240719213500","replies":["c-Fayenatic_london-20240720083800-Liz-20240719215200","c-Liz-20240719215900-Liz-20240719215200"]}}-->

• Well, I was happier that you left these for manual deletion. In this case I chose to redirect one because a former subcat had a cat header template that will resolve the redirect. IMHO it would be best practice to tag and list them all in the nomination, after which the list can be given to the bot, but that can be a lot of work. – Fayenatic London 08:38, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240720083800","author":"Fayenatic london","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Fayenatic_london-20240720083800-Liz-20240719215200","replies":[],"displayName":"Fayenatic"}}-->

By the way, all of the categories from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 6#Category:Tourism in the Republic of Artsakh were deleted with an explanation of CSD G6 "Housekeeping", should these categories be restored and redeleted with a link to the CFD discussion that caused them to be deleted? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:59, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240719215900","author":"Liz","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Liz-20240719215900-Liz-20240719215200","replies":["c-Fayenatic_london-20240720083800-Liz-20240719215900"]}}-->

@Liz: Thank you for this note. Yes, I believe those category pages should be restored and redeleted. Firefangledfeathers deleted them but can't be blamed as it was Marcocapelle who tagged them with {{db-xfd}}. Marcocapelle did include a link to the discussion, but that template does not put that into the default edit summary. Perhaps we can edit db-xfd to do so. Meanwhile, Marcocapelle, please append db-xfd rather than replacing the page content, so that the deleting admin at least has the opportunity to use the "delete" link in the CFD template, which pre-fills the deletion log edit summary. – Fayenatic London 08:38, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240720083800","author":"Fayenatic london","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Fayenatic_london-20240720083800-Liz-20240719215900","replies":["c-Marcocapelle-20240720084400-Fayenatic_london-20240720083800"],"displayName":"Fayenatic"}}-->

• By default I am copying the db-xfd script, including the date of the discussion, to the edit summary. Do you mean that this does not suffice? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:44, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240720084400","author":"Marcocapelle","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Marcocapelle-20240720084400-Fayenatic_london-20240720083800","replies":["c-Fayenatic_london-20240720084900-Marcocapelle-20240720084400","c-Fayenatic_london-20240720092200-Marcocapelle-20240720084400"]}}-->

  Indeed, that does not suffice. Only admins will have access to that edit summary after deletion, and even they would have to go to the bother of viewing the page history. We want the discussion link to be left in the deletion log entry. {{Cfd all}} facilitates this, but db-xfd does not ATM. – Fayenatic London 08:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240720084900","author":"Fayenatic london","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Fayenatic_london-20240720084900-Marcocapelle-20240720084400","replies":[],"displayName":"Fayenatic"}}-->

On further inspection I see that db-xfd does make use of the XFD link if provided, and in that case you did provide a link to the CFD log page albeit not to the discussion, viz. {{db-xfd|votepage=Log/2024_July_6}}. However, Firefangledfeathers seems to have used another deletion script rather than clicking the deletion link in the template. Firefangledfeathers, please amend your practices to leave a link to the discussion in the deletion log, rather than a bland reference to G6. – Fayenatic London 09:22, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240720092200","author":"Fayenatic london","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Fayenatic_london-20240720092200-Marcocapelle-20240720084400","replies":["c-Firefangledfeathers-20240720113200-Fayenatic_london-20240720092200"],"displayName":"Fayenatic"}}-->

I plan to! Liz already got me the memo. I can restore and redelete

soon, once I'm off mobile. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 11:32, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240720113200","author":"Firefangledfeathers","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Firefangledfeathers-20240720113200-Fayenatic_london-20240720092200","replies":["c-Firefangledfeathers-20240720145900-Firefangledfeathers-20240720113200"]}}-->

Now done. Thank you both. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240720145900","author":"Firefangledfeathers","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Firefangledfeathers-20240720145900-Firefangledfeathers-20240720113200","replies":[]}}-->

And thank you. Thanks also to user:Liz for tagging a further batch of parent categories; see also Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_July_22#Untagged_categories_from_the_Portuguese_Mozambique_CfDs. – Fayenatic London 22:57, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240722225700","author":"Fayenatic london","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fayenatic_london-20240722225700-Liz-20240719091200","replies":[],"displayName":"Fayenatic"}}-->

Category:Armenian buildings in Azerbaijan has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:52, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240719185200","author":"Marcocapelle","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Marcocapelle-20240719185200-Category:Armenian_buildings_in_Azerbaijan_has_been_nominated_for_deletion","replies":[]}}-->

Could you have a look at the New Zealand region batch nominations at the bottom of Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Speedy#Current_requests? I think they can be processed. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:33, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240721153300","author":"Marcocapelle","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Marcocapelle-20240721153300-CFDS","replies":["c-Fayenatic_london-20240721220500-Marcocapelle-20240721153300"]}}-->

Thanks. I pinged the nominator. – Fayenatic London 22:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240721220500","author":"Fayenatic london","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fayenatic_london-20240721220500-Marcocapelle-20240721153300","replies":[],"displayName":"Fayenatic"}}-->

Is this supposed to be used by {{DisestcatCountryDecade}}? (Obviously, it was at some point – or else you would not have created it! – but I am not sure if it is currently needed.) Best, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:55, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240722005500","author":"HouseBlaster","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-HouseBlaster-20240722005500-Category:Pages_using_new_version_of_Template_DisestcatCountryDecade","replies":["c-Fayenatic_london-20240802195100-HouseBlaster-20240722005500"],"displayName":"House"}}-->

@HouseBlaster: as Pppery has reminded me occasionally, I have still not got round to updating Template:DisestcatCountryDecade. See e.g. User_talk:Fayenatic_london/Archive29#Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:DisestcatCountryDecade/core. I cen retrieve the templates/category myself if needed, so I have deleted the category under G7.

If you would like to update the template yourself to work like {{estcatCountryDecade}}, please go ahead. – Fayenatic London 19:51, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240802195100","author":"Fayenatic london","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fayenatic_london-20240802195100-HouseBlaster-20240722005500","replies":["c-HouseBlaster-20240804223600-Fayenatic_london-20240802195100"],"displayName":"Fayenatic"}}-->

 Done. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:36, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240804223600","author":"HouseBlaster","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-HouseBlaster-20240804223600-Fayenatic_london-20240802195100","replies":[],"displayName":"House"}}-->

MaxBrowne2 has asked for a deletion review of Category:People with acquired citizenship. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. —Cryptic 22:27, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240724222700","author":"Cryptic","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cryptic-20240724222700-Deletion_review_for_Category:People_with_acquired_citizenship","replies":[]}}-->

Hi there. I take it you meant to nominate this category at CfD, but no discussion seems to have been created at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 24 § Category:Painters by theme. Ham II (talk) 19:09, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240725190900","author":"Ham II","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ham_II-20240725190900-Category:Painters_by_theme","replies":["c-Fayenatic_london-20240726193800-Ham_II-20240725190900"]}}-->

Thanks – I had not saved the nom, and have since been busy IRL. Now at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_July_26#Category:Painters_by_theme. – Fayenatic London 19:38, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240726193800","author":"Fayenatic london","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fayenatic_london-20240726193800-Ham_II-20240725190900","replies":[],"displayName":"Fayenatic"}}-->

Hello, Fayenatic london. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or draft page you started, "List of audio recording pioneers".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 14:59, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240727145900","author":"Liz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Liz-20240727145900-Your_draft_article,_Draft:List_of_audio_recording_pioneers","replies":["c-Fayenatic_london-20240727154600-Liz-20240727145900"]}}-->

Thanks. Note already left for the originator at User talk:Actaudio. – Fayenatic London 15:46, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240727154600","author":"Fayenatic london","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fayenatic_london-20240727154600-Liz-20240727145900","replies":[],"displayName":"Fayenatic"}}-->

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@HouseBlaster: it would have taken less work to populate the hierarchy. – Fayenatic London 23:27, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240804232700","author":"Fayenatic london","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fayenatic_london-20240804232700-HouseBlaster-20240804203600","replies":[],"displayName":"Fayenatic"}}-->

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asilvering (talk) 16:34, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240815163400","author":"Asilvering","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Asilvering-20240815163400-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_List_of_given_names_derived_from_ficti","replies":[]}}-->

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Followed up at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anthroponymy#Draft:List_of_given_names_derived_from_fiction. – Fayenatic London 21:53, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240818215300","author":"Fayenatic london","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fayenatic_london-20240818215300-Asilvering-20240815163400","replies":[],"displayName":"Fayenatic"}}-->

I am trying to offer advice at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kowal2701 and feel that I am out of my depth, I used to lean heavily on now departed template tweakers - I have no idea who to turn to now - the issues are re the setting up of the oral tradition thingies, any thoughts? Not offended if you are not interested. JarrahTree 08:58, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240817085800","author":"JarrahTree","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JarrahTree-20240817085800-interested","replies":["c-Fayenatic_london-20240818213700-JarrahTree-20240817085800"]}}-->

Cheers, I replied there. – Fayenatic London 21:37, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240818213700","author":"Fayenatic london","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fayenatic_london-20240818213700-JarrahTree-20240817085800","replies":[],"displayName":"Fayenatic"}}-->

These categories are causing the redirect Category:1990s in Soviet television to be populated but the templates don't have instructions on how to override the names and the creator is now blocked. Please can you fix either the categories or the templates to remove the problem. Timrollpickering (talk) 09:05, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240818090500","author":"Timrollpickering","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Timrollpickering-20240818090500-1990s_Soviet_television_categories","replies":["c-Fayenatic_london-20240818175800-Timrollpickering-20240818090500"]}}-->

@Timrollpickering:  Done – Fayenatic London 17:58, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240818175800","author":"Fayenatic london","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fayenatic_london-20240818175800-Timrollpickering-20240818090500","replies":[],"displayName":"Fayenatic"}}-->

Category:Technical universities and colleges in Germany has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. SFBB (talk) 11:46, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240821114600","author":"SFBB","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SFBB-20240821114600-Category:Technical_universities_and_colleges_in_Germany_has_been_nominated_for_d","replies":[]}}-->

Hey there - I see that you tagged Category:Wikipedia template parameter issues for renaming back on July 13, but I just looked around and haven't been able to find an actual discussion started about it over at WP:CFR. Figured I should let you know in case you may have forgotten to open a discussion when the tag was added. 🔹Blue (talk/contribs) 14:57, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240824145700","author":"AFigureOfBlue","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AFigureOfBlue-20240824145700-Category_tagged_for_renaming_but_no_CFR_discussion_started","replies":["c-Fayenatic_london-20240825144800-AFigureOfBlue-20240824145700"],"displayName":"\ud83d\udd39Blue"}}-->

Thank you. I still have tabs open in my browser with these pages, a sandbox with an incomplete CFD nomination, and a discussion with Andrybak at Category talk:Wikipedia template tracking categories. I'll revert the category pages now and wait for a conclusion at a related live CFD, Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_August_19#Category:Wikipedia_utility_templates. – Fayenatic London 14:48, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240825144800","author":"Fayenatic london","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fayenatic_london-20240825144800-AFigureOfBlue-20240824145700","replies":["c-AFigureOfBlue-20240825212400-Fayenatic_london-20240825144800"],"displayName":"Fayenatic"}}-->

That sounds to me like a good approach, thank you! 🔹Blue (talk/contribs) 21:24, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240825212400","author":"AFigureOfBlue","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-AFigureOfBlue-20240825212400-Fayenatic_london-20240825144800","replies":["c-HouseBlaster-20240826043100-AFigureOfBlue-20240825212400"],"displayName":"\ud83d\udd39Blue"}}-->

I think the same issue is at Category:Infobox template tracking? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:31, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240826043100","author":"HouseBlaster","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-HouseBlaster-20240826043100-AFigureOfBlue-20240825212400","replies":[],"displayName":"House"}}-->

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This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

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Doesn't meet WP:CLERGY.

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This appears to be incorrect. I replied at Draft talk:Corneliu Bârlădeanu. – Fayenatic London 15:50, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241002155000","author":"Fayenatic london","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fayenatic_london-20241002155000-SafariScribe-20241002115300","replies":[],"displayName":"Fayenatic"}}-->

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I would like to know why you decided to delete my hard work? I have never vandalized anything here on Wikipedia and I have always followed the rules. What did I do to you? It's because of attitudes like yours that I'm thinking about abandoning Wikipedia, because I thought they only deleted articles and categories from those who vandalized Wikipedia...

All my hard work was for nothing... MafiaBoy123 (talk) 13:05, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017130500","author":"MafiaBoy123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MafiaBoy123-20241017130500-About_my_Edits","replies":[]}}-->

For reference, this is about Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_14#Category:Amirov_brothers.

Hi MafiaBoy123, somebody else noticed first that there was a category just for 2 brothers. The purpose of categories is to enable readers to navigate between related pages, but those cases were already linked, so the category added nothing to Wikipedia navigation. I checked what else was in the hierarchies around that category, and found a very similar one with only two sisters, which clearly should be decided the same way as the one with two brothers.

I can't find any articles about e.g. political families of Kyrgyzstan.

So, if those two categories were deleted, the two parent categories would become empty, so they would also be deleted. Some editors would have left them to be deleted later, leaving no trace of the reason, but I consider that it is fairer to list such parents in a nomination, so that anybody looking for those categories later can follow the links and see WHY they were deleted. In this case they would see that the name was correct (it's not as if e.g. "Kyrgyzstani" should be "Kyrgyz"), but the categories were merely deleted for the time being because there were not sufficient contents as to need a navigational hierarchy.

I did also look around Category:Families by nationality to see if other countries had categories for families with very little content. Some had only two sub-cats, but in those cases they had more members, or the members were articles actually about families rather than individuals; either way, the categories are worth keeping.

I hope that helps you understand. We don't create every category into which we could theoretically place an article. We only create/keep categories that are useful for navigation. Best wishes, – Fayenatic London 13:44, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017134400","author":"Fayenatic london","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Fayenatic_london-20241017134400-About_my_Edits","replies":["c-Fayenatic_london-20241017135300-Fayenatic_london-20241017134400","c-Fayenatic_london-20241031214300-Fayenatic_london-20241017134400"],"displayName":"Fayenatic"}}-->

I wondered what you meant by "all my hard work", as you have plenty of other good work here that nobody is deleting. Then I realised that you have created a few more 2-page subcats in Category:Mixed martial arts families. I suggest that you tag them with {{db-author}} yourself, if you don't want to be upset by other people nominating them. – Fayenatic London 13:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241017135300","author":"Fayenatic london","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Fayenatic_london-20241017135300-Fayenatic_london-20241017134400","replies":[],"displayName":"Fayenatic"}}-->

For the record, more micro categories which happen to be part of this editor's work are now nominated at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_31#Families_of_two. – Fayenatic London 21:43, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241031214300","author":"Fayenatic london","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Fayenatic_london-20241031214300-Fayenatic_london-20241017134400","replies":[],"displayName":"Fayenatic"}}-->

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Could you please use "notable people" as a section heading, per WP:USCITIES. Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:20, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241026212000","author":"Magnolia677","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Magnolia677-20241026212000-Notable_people","replies":["c-Fayenatic_london-20241027141600-Magnolia677-20241026212000"]}}-->

@Magnolia677: Sorry and thank you; I have changed a few more from my recent edit history. Do you happen to know if this heading is also standard for other countries? – Fayenatic London 14:16, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241027141600","author":"Fayenatic london","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fayenatic_london-20241027141600-Magnolia677-20241026212000","replies":["c-Magnolia677-20241030104100-Fayenatic_london-20241027141600"],"displayName":"Fayenatic"}}-->

Sorry for not getting back sooner. The "notifications" feature for several editors has not been working the past week, but seems to be partially restored. I looked at WP:CITY and most country guidelines use "notable people". Hey, cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 10:41, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241030104100","author":"Magnolia677","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Magnolia677-20241030104100-Fayenatic_london-20241027141600","replies":["c-Fayenatic_london-20241030104900-Magnolia677-20241030104100","c-Fayenatic_london-20241031114500-Magnolia677-20241030104100"]}}-->

OK, thank you, I'll use that from now on. – Fayenatic London 10:49, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241030104900","author":"Fayenatic london","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Fayenatic_london-20241030104900-Magnolia677-20241030104100","replies":[],"displayName":"Fayenatic"}}-->

@Magnolia677: For info, I have changed several others in the US and elsewhere, but generally did not change "residents" of buildings, streets, neighbourhoods or counties. – Fayenatic London 11:45, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241031114500","author":"Fayenatic london","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Fayenatic_london-20241031114500-Magnolia677-20241030104100","replies":["c-Magnolia677-20241031125800-Fayenatic_london-20241031114500"],"displayName":"Fayenatic"}}-->

Thank you so much. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 12:58, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241031125800","author":"Magnolia677","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Magnolia677-20241031125800-Fayenatic_london-20241031114500","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi Admin, I would like to request your assistance in redirecting the new page, The Miss Globe, to the original article, Miss Globe International. The content on the new page is essentially a copy of the The Miss Globe section and lead from the original article. Thank you. 🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 05:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241104054200","author":"Rc ramz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rc_ramz-20241104054200-Request_redirect","replies":["c-Fayenatic_london-20241105120700-Rc_ramz-20241104054200"],"displayName":"\ud83c\udf3c\ud835\udce1\ud835\udcec \ud835\udce1\ud835\udcea\ud835\udcf6\ud835\udd03\ud83c\udf41"}}-->

@Rc ramz: I decided to move the old page over that new page, which did need admin tools, so thanks for raising it here. – Fayenatic London 12:07, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105120700","author":"Fayenatic london","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fayenatic_london-20241105120700-Rc_ramz-20241104054200","replies":["c-Rc_ramz-20241105160700-Fayenatic_london-20241105120700"],"displayName":"Fayenatic"}}-->

Hi Admin, thank you very much for your quick action and support with this! I appreciate your help in addressing the issue and taking the time to ensure everything is in order. Thanks again for your assistance. 🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 16:07, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105160700","author":"Rc ramz","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Rc_ramz-20241105160700-Fayenatic_london-20241105120700","replies":[],"displayName":"\ud83c\udf3c\ud835\udce1\ud835\udcec \ud835\udce1\ud835\udcea\ud835\udcf6\ud835\udd03\ud83c\udf41"}}-->

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My reading of the diff is that britfilm was the editor, but never mind, it is cleaer now ! JarrahTree 11:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126114000","author":"JarrahTree","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JarrahTree-20241126114000-hahah","replies":["c-Fayenatic_london-20241126114700-JarrahTree-20241126114000"]}}-->

Well, they were wrong to add a title above the banner, but your edit mistakenly duplicated the shell! I was just clearing out Category:WikiProject banners placed outside the banner shell. Some WP tools seem to be part of the problem. – Fayenatic London 11:47, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126114700","author":"Fayenatic london","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fayenatic_london-20241126114700-JarrahTree-20241126114000","replies":["c-JarrahTree-20241126115600-Fayenatic_london-20241126114700"],"displayName":"Fayenatic"}}-->

there is something about your search that rings a bell of where duplicate boxes have happened, - fortunately I have managed to correct myself at least a few times - good on you! Keep up the good work!! JarrahTree 11:56, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126115600","author":"JarrahTree","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-JarrahTree-20241126115600-Fayenatic_london-20241126114700","replies":[]}}-->